The Institute for the Advancement of Psychotherapy is Hiring!
W. Keith Sutton, Psy.D. - Director and Psychologist
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James Keim, MSW, LCSW - Oppositional Clinic Director and Licensed Social Worker
James Keim, LCSW is the founder of Mimosa Therapeutics, Inc., which uses bioreactors to grow research grade, natural psilocybin, rather than the synthetic psilocybin which is most widespread. He was the clinical director for Jay Haley and Cloe Madanes, the developers of Strategic Family Therapy, has published his work on Oppositional Defiant Disorder, and heads the Institute for the Advancement of Psychotherapy's Oppositional and Conduct Disorder Clinic. James Keim in addition to teaching at the IAP, also teaches family therapy in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Thailand. email: JamesKeim@sfiap.com |
Davida Cohen, MFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Davida Cohen, MFT works with families, couples, children and adults and has been teaching, training and supervising for 20 years. She has worked at the Family Institute of Pinole in the positions of Director of Training, and Clinical Director. She also holds an MA in Art and works with adults and children to bring out their potential in mindfulness, creativity and relationships. Her specialties include ADHD, spirited, acting out children as well as overly constricted, anxious or depressed children. Additionally she works with trauma and stress, adoption issues, and children and teen's behavioral difficulties. email: DavidaCohen@sfiap.com |
Joann Riggio, MFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Joann Riggio, MFT is a Marriage and Family Therapist, who has helped many people recognize their true potential while helping them overcome their emotional difficulties. She uses Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy, which has a strong basis in science, to overcome depression, anxiety and a wide range of problems. With this technique, she addresses changing thought processes in order to change feelings and behaviors. She also uses Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) to relieve past traumas and work on healing deeper emotional wounds. As a couples counselor, she understands the strain that work and child rearing responsibilities place on the relationship, which often results in the loss of effective communication and connection with each other. Utilizing techniques from Dr. John Gottman, and Dr. Sue Johnson's Emotionally Focused Couples Therapy, she helps couples reconnect and reestablish their love relationship with a deeper understanding of one another. email: JoannRiggio@sfiap.com |
Mary Thomas, LMFT - Psychotherapist, Life/Career and ADHD Coach
Mary Thomas, LMFT sees clients in Berkeley and provides psychotherapy and coaching to individuals, couples and families. As a psychotherapist her areas of specialty include ADHD, anxiety, depression, difficult life transitions, early childhood trauma and PTSD. Mary offers a mindfulness-based approach, combining CBT, DBT, relational therapy, somatic psychotherapy, and Gottman couples therapy. She also has extensive training in somatic methods of working with trauma, including Sensorimotor Trauma therapy and Somatic Experiencing by Peter Levine. Mary’s grounded, integrative approach has helped many individuals and couples breakthrough painful, limiting patterns to experience more joy and fulfillment in their lives and in their relationships. Mary is also a Life/Career and ADHD Coach, having received her training in 2000 from the renowned Coaches Training Institute. She has a passion for supporting creative individuals to actualize their visions, and for coaching those with ADHD to successfully manage their ADHD symptoms and maximize their strengths, so they can live well and thrive. email: MaryThomas@sfiap.com |
Raven Westhoelter, MFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Raven Westhoelter is a Marriage and Family Therapist. She completed her M.A. in Marriage and Family Counseling at Argosy University and her B.A. in Psychology at the University of Missouri – St. Louis (UMSL). She has worked with survivors of domestic violence, substance abuse, homelessness, anxiety, depression, trauma, and a variety of other therapeutic concerns such as parenting skill, relationships, and major life adjustments. Raven works from a collective of evidence based therapeutic orientations including Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Solution Focused Therapy, Emotionally Focused Therapy, Family Systems, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, and Mindfulness meditation. email: RavenWesthoelter@sfiap.com |
Lianne Warren, MFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Lianne Warren, MFT is a Marriage and Family Therapist who received her Master’s in Counseling Psychology from University of San Francisco and Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from University of Oregon. Her experiences as a school based therapist have provided her opportunities to work with children, families, couples, and adults. During her clinical experiences, she has addressed a wide variety of concerns, including troubled relationships, parenting, behavioral modification, anxiety, depression, loss and life transitions. Lianne’s own life experiences have provided her with an understanding that life at times can be challenging, and that having support during difficult times can be helpful. As a result, she strives to develop therapeutic relationships that are based on trust and empathy in order to assist clients to identify solutions and to make positive change in a collaborative manner. In recognition that clients enter therapy with their own unique set of experiences, strengths and goals for therapy, she utilizes an integrative approach that includes evidence based practices such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Structural-Strategic Family Therapy, Solution Focused Therapy, Emotionally Focused Therapy, Gottman’s Couple Therapy, EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing), and Mindfulness based psychotherapies. Email: LianneWarren@sfiap.com |
Max Farber, Psy.D. - Psychologist
Dr. Max Farber is a licensed clinical psychologist who helps foster positive change in people’s lives. He listens and co-creates therapy goals. Dr. Farber’s work often involves helping people to identify and live by the values that give their lives meaning and vitality, become more aware and accepting of emotions, worry less, problem solve with more flexibility, be more resilient to stress, change emotion driven behaviors to behavior choices that are more in line with core values, and to make new and enhance existing relationships, be they personal or professional. He feels that it is a tremendous privilege to help people in this way. He is politically liberal and queer positive. His education, training, and experience include a doctoral degree from the APA-accredited Wright Institute, predoctoral and postdoctoral residencies at Kaiser Permanente in Walnut Creek, and supervising student-clinicians at the Berkeley CBT Clinic. Email: MaxFarber@sfiap.com |
Casey Brodhead, Psy.D. - Psychologist
Dr. Casey Brodhead is a licensed clinical and assessment psychologist who graduated from the Stanford-PGSP Psy.D Consortium. He has been in the field for over 15 years in a variety of clinical and academic settings, including but not limited to Stanford University, Palo Alto University, local high schools and middle schools, community mental health, contract work, group practice work, government work, consultancy, and hospital/medical settings. Dr. Brodhead has experience working with clients in individual psychotherapy as well as group psychotherapy. Other roles he has experience with are as an educator, consultant, assessment psychologist, assessment supervisor, primary/delegated clinical supervisor, mentor, and department technology and efficiency trainer. email: CaseyBrodhead@sfiap.com |
Laura Petracek, Ph.D.
Dr. Laura Petracek is the best-selling author of The Anger Management Workbook for Women (New Harbinger Publications Press, 2004.) She received her Doctorate in Psychology from California Institute for Integral Studies (CIIS) in San Francisco and her Master’s in Social Work (MSW) from Yeshiva University in New York City. She has worked in the field of Psychology and Social Work for over thirty years. She has served as Executive Director, Clinical Director, and held the positions of Psychologist/LCSW at many different non-profit agencies including New Leaf: Services for our Community, Centerpoint, Inc., and A Women’s Path. She has supervised Ph.D. Post-Doctoral, ASW, and MFTi students. She has also held the position of Associate Professor, Assistant Professor, and Adjunct Professor at Bay Area Graduate Institutions such as Alliant University, Dominican University, and National University. Her areas of interest are injustice and racism in the Criminal Justice System, Feminist/Women’s Issues, Gender Issues, LGBT Issues (specifically drug and alcohol abuse in the LBGT community, suicidality in LGBT teenagers), and trauma (specifically complex trauma). Alcoholism/Drug abuse among women, Meditation, and Yoga. Dr. Petracek specializes in helping people with anger dyscontrol issues and recovery from alcohol and other addictions. She currently maintains a private practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Email: LauraPetracek@sfiap.com |
Fabrizio Dellabernarda, LMFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Fabrizio Dellabernarda is a marriage and family therapist who obtained his M.A. in Counseling Psychology at the University of San Francisco. He provides psychotherapy in San Francisco and online, in English and Italian. He strongly believes in the importance of looking at each person in his or her own context. He collaborates with his clients in identifying what is most important to them. He draws from his clients' strengths and offers guidance and skills to expand their repertoire of responses to align with their chosen values in the face of stressful emotions and situations. His approach and style in the therapy session comes from his life experience and the integration of multiple therapeutic orientations. He has trained in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Family Systems, Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR). He has worked at the Bay Area Community Counseling with Dr. Keith Sutton and at the Mental Research Institute in Palo Alto for the past 3+ years on issues such as depression, anxiety disorders (including OCD), complex trauma and PTSD, ADHD, behavioral issues with adolescents and their families, relationships problems, and problems with life transitions. He is active in the LGBTQ+ community and co-facilitates a group of aging gay men with HIV. Before entering the field of clinical psychology, Fabrizio worked for fifteen years as a software engineer and enjoyed the problem solving and the group dynamics aspects associated with that career. Email: FabrizioDellabernarda@sfiap.com |
Liliana Casas Hernandez, LMFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Liliana Casas Hernandez, Licensed Marriage family therapist considers it a great honor to be able to serve kids, children, teens and parents. For the past 17 years, she has been providing comprehensive counseling services to children and teens, parents and groups from diverse cultural backgrounds in different settings. This has included all levels of education from preschool to high school, hospital settings, non-profits, outpatient programs and victims of crime. She uses an integrative approach that includes EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing), Emotionally Focused Therapy, and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. With children, she has used Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (TF-CBT) for preschoolers and Parent-Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT). Liliana understands that the gift of parenting brings both tremendous joy and challenges. She strives to support parents in exploring and identifying opportunities that invite their children in experiencing the best of who they are. Liliana works collaboratively with parents in understanding their child's strengths and temperament in order to address barriers that are impacting their child's ability to maximize their potential. Liliana believes that learning is continuous throughout life; there is always the possibility of growing and overcoming challenges. Being in a family means collaborating as a team, learning from each other and discovering what each member brings to the family. Email: LilianaCasasHernandez@sfiap.com |
Yi Zhao Martins, LMFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Yi Zhao Martins, LMFT is committed to helping clients get in touch with their own reality, to accept their unique personality and that of others, and to successfully integrate the client(s) into their family, social circle and society at large. Yi has extensive experience working with children in school settings, during transitions, and between households. She is highly intuitive in seeing the inner child in her clients with compassion, warmth, and clarity, and supporting them to integrate all parts of the self. Yi is a lifetime learner, who holds a Bachelor of Arts in Law, a Master of Arts in Law, and a Master of Arts in Counseling Psychology. She graduated from Dr. Alicia Lieberman’s one-year training program of Parent-Child Therapy by UCSF Child Trauma Research Program. She is actively learning and practicing Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), and System-Centered Therapy (SCT). Yi loves getting to know her clients and developing individualized therapeutic plans towards clients’ goals. Her areas of specialty include ADHD, PTSD, and anxiety. She uses an integrative approach that includes Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Solution-Focused Therapy, Somatic Psychotherapy, System-Centered Therapy (SCT), Parent-Child Therapy (PCT), Play Therapy, Developmental Transformation, Expressive Arts Therapy, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), and Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT). As a long-term meditation and yoga practitioner, Yi uses mindfulness practices to nurture her own physical and emotional wellbeing. Her invaluable intuition and calm demeanor will surely be of benefit to her clients. Email: YiZhaoMartins@sfiap.com |
Lyn Blodgett, LCSW - Licensed Social Worker
As a licensed clinical social worker with more than twenty years of experience providing a range of mental health services to children, teens, adults, and families, Lyn is deeply committed to helping others with their healing and growth. She works with adults, adolescents, and families, offering individual and family therapy as well as parent coaching. She utilizes a number of evidence-based approaches, including Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, trauma-informed treatment, and self-compassion. She tailors her compassionate, warm approach to the unique, diverse needs, perspectives, experiences, and concerns of each client, keeping in mind the larger community context and drawing on her experience working in various settings, such as public schools and medical centers as well as community and county agencies. Lyn has specialized training and expertise in Mindfulness, Trauma-Informed Treatment, Eye-Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Parenting, Grief, Early Childhood Mental Health, Trauma-Informed Treatment, and Gender Expansive Care. She works with individuals from a strength-based perspective, welcomes feedback and collaboration, and offers compassion as well as practical skills to help reduce stress, anxiety, and depression and improve one's connection to oneself and others. Email: LynBlodgett@sfiap.com |
Kellie Brown, LMFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Kellie Brown, LMFT, gained her degree from the CAMFT accredited program at Touro University. She sees clients all over the state via telehealth, providing services to individuals, couples, and families, having served under-represented clients for the last three years. With a strong commitment to support clients who struggle with anxiety, depression, major-life transition, trauma, parenting questions, and relationship instability, she has been focusing on developing her skills in treating those with the unique challenges of ADHD. Enjoying a blended family of her own, Kellie understands that our relationships end up shaping our view of ourselves and others in both beautiful and broken ways. She endorses any therapist who can help you align your values and your choices, to live more resiliently and more compassionately, so that you are able to pursue the relationships you want with the integrity you desire. Kellie’s ambition is to collaborate with clients toward the outcomes that best resonate with their journey of healing and wholeness, leading individuals and families to a life of vitality and fulfillment, and producing enduring relationships. Choosing to engage in therapy can be the first step toward claiming the life you deserve. Email: KellieBrown@sfiap.com |
Karrie Stafford, Ph.D, LMFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Karrie Stafford is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and holds a doctorate in Art Therapy Psychology. She has practiced psychotherapy for nearly 20 years, providing evidence based treatment for couples, families and youth. In addition to Structural and Strategic Family Therapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Karrie has extensive training and experience with Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT). DBT focuses on the development of mindfulness skills, distress tolerance, emotion regulation, and interpersonal effectiveness. Her work supports individuals, couples and families through difficult transitions, managing challenging behaviors and coping with mental health symptoms. Karrie has taught Marriage and Family Therapy and Art Therapy students at the Masters and Doctoral levels at Notre Dame de Namur University, and has provided continuing education and licensing preparation trainings for MFT Interns and Associate Social Workers. She has worked as an administrator and clinical supervisor for a Short Term Residential Treatment Facility serving adolescents with serious mental health issues and complex trauma. Karrie's approach is curious, non judgmental and skills based. Email: KarrieStafford@sfiap.com |
Cristina (Tina) Carter, LMFT - Marriage and Family Therapist
Tina is a bi-racial native to San Francisco who completed her graduate degree in Portland, OR. She works with adolescents and adults to provide individual and family therapy in a variety of situations. Tina has experience working in high schools, providing therapy to children and families in Wellington, New Zealand, and in mental health services at the YMCA of SF for youth and families. Tina values authenticity in her approach to supporting a range of issues including transition and change, trauma (specific, complex, intergenerational), anxiety, identity, family conflict, depressed mood, and motivation. She draws from a combination of therapeutic models to increase a sense of control and find peace through adversity, and works from the foundation that people exist in their relationships to others. Email: CristinaCarter@sfiap.com |
Margo Levi, LCSW - Licensed Social Worker
Margo Levi, LCSW specializes in helping adolescents, families, young adults and adults translate pain and difficulty into opportunities for transformation. She see clients through her private practice in San Francisco and also serves as the Clinical Director at Huckleberry Youth Programs. She wrote Parents' Turn, a skill building and support program for parents of adolescents that is taught at Huckleberry Youth Programs, Kaiser Permenante in Santa Clara and periodically in her private practice. She is co-chair of the behavioral health committee for the Adolescent Health Working Group. Her past experience includes seven years as a staff therapist in Psychiatry at Kaiser Permanente in South San Francisco and providing clinical consultation and supervision as a consultant to Huckleberry Youth Programs, Third Street Youth Clinic and Women's Recovery Association. Additional community based mental health experience includes work at Family Services Agency of San Francisco and Larkin Street Youth Services. She earned her MSW from UC Berkeley. Email: MargoLevi@sfiap.com |
IAP's Associated Nonprofit
Bay Area Community Counseling Clinicians
Bay Area Community Counseling was started by the founder of the Institute for the Advancement of Psychotherapy, Dr. Keith Sutton, in order to provide services to the community and provide training for student clinicians and new clinicians developing their skills. BACC's mission is to provide culturally competent therapy to children, adults, families, and couples in the community. BACC has a number of clinicians at various levels of ability to serve the needs of our clients. BACC strives to provide therapy to all those in the community in need.
Einat Klopfer Cohen, AMFT
Einat is an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist who received her Master’s degree from Palo Alto University in California. Einat has been working with children, parents, and families for many years in different settings. She worked as a school counselor in Israel and helped children and their families cope with different academic and social-emotional challenges. Einat has experience working with young children in early education settings, where she worked with children in an emerging curriculum program and helped parents navigate through different developmental milestones. In the past year and a half, Einat has been working with children, teens, adults, and parents in a community-based agency where she uses an attachment-based lens in combination with a family system approach to partner with clients and help them overcome mental health challenges. Einat utilizes expressive art techniques, play therapy and sand tray interventions in her work. In her free time, Einat likes to hike with her dog, spend time with her family, connect with friends and read. |
Sara Salman, AMFT APCC
Sara Salman is an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist and Associate Professional Clinical Counselor and received her M.A. in Counseling from Palo Alto University in 2021. Sara has experience working in community mental health settings, addressing various concerns such as relationship and family issues, parenting concerns, trauma, attachment loss, social and other forms of anxiety, depression, and others. Sara works from an integrative approach, and her work is based on Family Systems Theories, Attachment-based, and trauma informed. Sara also brings in years of her personal experience of working with Muslim and minority teens, addressing the challenges due to discrimination, immigration, identity, and many other relevant issues. Sara loves to work with teens, families, adults, and couples. |
Mor Goldberger, AMFT
Mor grew up in Palo Alto, California. She has a bachelor's degree in Psychology from UCSC (go banana slugs!), and a masters in Business from Berkeley. Mor is passionate about working with couples and families, using Emotion-Focused Therapy to help couples identify the underlying root of conflicts, strengthen connection and re-wire patterns of interaction. Mor’s clients describe her as warm, empathetic, insightful, and direct. Mor thrives working with multicultural and multiracial families. She speaks Spanish, Haitian Kreyol, Hebrew, French and English. |
Estelle Ho, AMFT
Estelle Ho is an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist committed to lifelong learning in evidence-based psychotherapy. She received her BA in English from Stanford University and her MS from Cal State East Bay’s Marriage and Family Therapy program. Estelle has years of experience using CBT with individuals across the lifespan grappling with anxiety, depression, anger, confusion, and interpersonal challenges. She has also been trained in attachment-based and systemic therapies and receives ongoing supervision to effectively treat couples and families in distress. Estelle’s warmth and compassion support her clients to clarify what is most important to them so they can address what gets in the way. |
IAP's Administrative Assistants
Kyle Cobb
Kyle lives in Central, South Carolina and he’s currently studying Biological Sciences at Clemson University. Although he’s on the fence about what he wishes to pursue after finishing his studies at CU, his plan is to guide his decision through his passion for helping people and the environment. In his spare time, he enjoys backpacking, traveling, exploring art, burning time on the river, watching ice hockey, and grilling on the family farm. Email: Kyle@sfiap.com |
Craig Tindell
Craig lives in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and he recently finished his undergraduate degree in marketing at Temple University. In the future, Craig hopes to continue his education by seeking a master's degree in either psychology or a business-related field. He is passionate about entertainment, particularly movies and television, and about consistently gaining more knowledge, skills and wisdom in various fields. In his spare time, Craig enjoys playing video games, watching movies/television shows, building and displaying legos, and traveling around the world to discover new and exciting places. Email: Craig@sfiap.com |
Jaylee Miller
Jaylee lives in SW Missouri and is working on finishing her degree in Communications at Missouri State University. Her goal is to one day start her own freelance branding and social media management business. She is passionate about her nonprofit work with ALA Missouri Girls State, which is an educational summer program for young women in her state. In her free time she loves spending time with her family, traveling, trying out new recipes, and working on DIY projects. Email: Jaylee@sfiap.com |
Sierra Prine
Sierra lives in Oakland, CA and will pursue licensure as a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor, with an interest in working with young adults and LGBTQ+ youth. They are currently taking time to care for their newborn daughter, but in their free time they enjoy hiking, traveling, watching movies, gardening, visiting the local gardens and going to concerts. Email: sierra@sfiap.com |
Crystal Goodall
Crystal lives in Miami, Florida, and is currently completing her third year of medical school at the Florida International University Herbert Wertheim College of Medicine. She is still deciding what specialty to practice but is considering psychiatry or radiology. She is passionate about cycling and has participated in several charity bike rides across the US and abroad. In her spare time, she enjoys reading, hiking, traveling, and spending time with family and friends. Email: crystalg@sfiap.com |
IAP's Non-Clinical Interns
Rhianne Ayer
Rhianne is a graduate from California State University, Northridge where she obtained a B.A in psychology, and is currently living in San Jose, CA. She is currently pursuing her master’s in applied psychology or clinical research. She currently works as an early intervention specialist helping children with developmental delays, and hopes to continue to immerse herself further into the world of psychology. In her free time, Rhianne enjoys singing, painting, and reading. |
Mallory Van Dyke
Mallory Van Dyke is a third year undergraduate student at the University of Maryland, College Park. She is currently working towards her B.A in Psychology with a minor in Law and Society with the goal of gaining her Masters in Counseling and ultimately becoming an LMFT. At school, she is a member of Lean On Me College Park and the Student Government Organization. In her free time, Mallory enjoys baking, hiking, and playing the trumpet! |
Francisco Javier Perez
Francisco Javier Perez is from San Francisco, California and received his Bachelors of Science in Psychology at the University of California, Davis in 2016 with a minor in Computer Science. After working as a Software Implementation Consultant at the company FAST Enterprises for 6 years, he is now looking to reenter the field of Psychology in a graduate/doctorate program with the hopes to eventually practice psychotherapy in both individual and group settings. On his time off he loves to practice Jiu Jitsu; compose and sing music; and obsess over trading card games. |
Rachel Hay
Rachel received a BA with majors in Psychology and Mathematics from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She’s currently transitioning from a career in software engineering back to the field of psychology, and she plans to apply to graduate school programs with the goal of becoming a therapist. In her free time, she likes to build apps for fun, read, and play the piano. |
Divija Keswani
Divija is a second-year undergraduate student at the University of California, Santa Cruz pursuing a bachelor’s degree in Intensive Psychology and Feminist Studies. After graduating, she hopes to obtain a master’s or doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology with a focus on adolescent therapy. She is a big advocate for feminist rights as well as mental health for students across the world. In her free time, she enjoys dancing, traveling, and running. |
Audrey Fish
Hi, I’m Audrey and I graduated from Chapman University in 2022 with a BA in music and a BA in psychology. I joined the IAP team because I’m looking to go to graduate school for social psychology so I can ultimately become a college professor and do research. I’m also looking to learn more about psychology from therapists’ points of view. In my free time I’m a research assistant for a lab at Stanford. |
Alexander Tortora
Alexander is a fourth year undergraduate studying psychology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Being a former taekwondo athlete, he is interested in the mentality of professional athletes and hopes to become a mental coach in the future. Alexander also enjoys things like video games, poker, and going for walks in his free time. |
Leona Gomez
Leona is a recent graduate from the University of California, Santa Barbara who earned a BA in Communication and a minor in Applied Psychology. She is currently pursuing a Masters degree in order to be a licensed marriage and family therapist. She plans to specialize in couples sex therapy because helping couples navigate issues related to sexuality is an aspect of therapy she is very passionate about. In her free time, Leona enjoys hiking, traveling, and seeing live music. |
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